Pushing battles in joseki 7

Go Seigen variation  

This is a variation played once by Go Seigen in a 1965 game against Miyashita Shuyo.

Go Seigen variation (continuation)  

In a 1996 Fujitsu Cup game Rob van Zeijst-Catalin Taranu there continued a large-scale pushing battle:

Van Zeijst-Taranu (continuation)  

Seong-june Kim 6d comments that here is conservative (up to that point this has gone 'by the book').

Variation at White 6  

There seems to be the immediate tactical justification of here, that the ladder is good for White to cut at .

Van Zeijst-Taranu (continuation)  

The fighting in the game now became difficult: and so on were high-handed.

Van Zeijst-Taranu (continuation)  

White eventually backed down with the capture at .

Variation from White 8  

Kim gives this alternate way to play for White. Black has the driving plays up to ; but then the position looks hard for him. The marked white group on the right side isn't something Black can hope to capture cleanly; and the cutting points a and b remain.

Charles Matthews

togo: It should be noted however, that this would depend on Black not playing on .